How to Win Talon vs Graves Counter Matchup Talon is in the a tier of champions

Talon vs Graves

How to Beat Graves as Talon in LoL Graves is in the b tier of champions
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How to Beat Graves as Talon

based on 2,731 Talon vs Graves matchups
Win Rate
49.4 %
K/D/A
2.23
Pick Rate
3.9 %

How We Analyze LoL Champion Counters

We at MOBA Champion summarize millions of recently ranked League of Legends matches every week. In our data, Talon faced off against Graves 2731 times. Including so many matchups for Talon versus Graves gives us confidence in our capability to produce informative data and a pro build to annihilate your opposition. This particular champ pairing is fairly rare. Talon has to counter Graves in only 3.9% of his matches.

Talon vs Graves Matchup Summary

Unfortunately, Talon has done a below average job of beating Graves. Normally, he wins a acceptable 49.4% of matches the champs battle one another in. In Talon vs Graves games, Talon’s side is 0.0% more likely to obtain first blood, implying that he most likely will be able to get first blood against Graves.

Best Talon vs Graves Counter Build

Items

Starter Items

Time Target
Long SwordRefillable Potion

Early Items

~5 Mins
Long SwordVampiric Scepter

Core Talon Items

~22 Mins
Prowler's ClawEdge of NightSerylda's Grudge

Optional Items

Death's DanceBlack CleaverRavenous HydraSerpent's Fang

Summoner Spells

summonerflash summoner spell D
summonerdot summoner spell F

Skill Order

First skill for Talon to level up w
>
Second ability for Talon to level up q
>
Last skill for Talon to max out e

Runes

Precision Conqueror TriumphLegend: TenacityLast Stand
Inspiration Magical FootwearBiscuit Delivery
Adaptive Force Adaptive Force Armor
Talon's passive ability p
Talon q ability q
Talon w ability w
Talon e ability e
Talon's ultimate ability r
1
W
2
Q
3
E
4
W
5
W
6
R
7
W
8
Q
9
W
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Q
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R
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Q
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Q
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E
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E
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R

Guide to Countering Graves as Talon

Tips for Playing as Talon against Graves

Shadow Assault is a powerful escape tool, but can also be offensively used to assault a group.

You can use Assassin's Path to get behind the enemy and set up for Noxian Diplomacy's melee attack.

Remember to pick your target before the fight. Focusing all of Talon's abilities on one target can be very rewarding, but splitting them up between many may leave you helpless.

Advice to Win Against Graves

Leaving the Smoke Screen's area of effect removes the harmful effect immediately.

Graves deals mostly physical damage so Armor is an effective counter.

Talon vs Graves Counter Stats

Talon Image
Win Rate
49.4 %
VS
Win Rate
50.6 %
Graves Image
8.2
< Kills >
6.8
6.4
< Deaths >
6.1
6.1
< Assists >
7
1.87
< Killing Sprees >
1.55
140
< Minions Killed >
79
0.28
< Dragons Killed >
1.23
0.33
< Inhibitors >
0.49
20,325
< Physical Damage >
18,779
79
< Magic Damage >
871
1,349
< True Damage >
1,519
21,754
< Damage Dealt >
21,169
26,727
< Damage Taken >
29,041
12,217
< Gold Earned >
12,718
1.36
< Towers >
1.89
0.06
< Baron Takedowns >
0.31
4,821
< Total Healing >
7,190
14,125
< Experience >
14,236
18
< Vision Score >
28
6
< Wards Placed >
8
198
< Time Dealing CC >
448

How to Counter Graves with Talon in LoL

The stat comparisons shown on this page underscore some important Talon versus Graves counter statistics that can help us grasp the differences between the two. Talon’s KDA ratio ([kills + assists] / deaths) of NaN is better than Graves’s ratio of NaN, indicating that Talon may be more central to his team's team fighting potential than Graves..

Talon normally has a slightly larger longest kill spree than his enemy does. Typically, he receives a similar amount of damage to Graves. This commonly reflects different amounts of tankyness; however, it can also show that the one champion has less mobility and thus is unable to flee from additional damage when engaged or poked.

Differences between Talon and Graves

Damage Types Compared

Talon
Graves
Physical Damage
Magic Damage
True Damage

Champion Playstyles Compared

Talon
Graves

Who is Better, Talon or Graves?

Both LoL champions are great. Both have their strengths, weaknesses, and counters. In the game's current meta, Talon usually fairs equally well when playing against Graves, with a 49.4% win rate. Thus, Talon makes an ok counter to Graves.

While Talon does have a lower winrate than Graves, when facing one another, Talon also has a much greater difficulty level that makes him a more challenging character to pick up and master. You should be careful when picking Talon into Gravesas his relative depth means that you may not be able to reach his full potential without a lot of practice beforehand.

Moreover, Talon also has almost no amount of CC and other utility, a similar amount to Graves. This often makes her just as valuable during teamfights, especially when trying to counter champions with a lot of burst damage.

While there is not one best champion overall in League of Legends, in Talon vs Graves matchups, Graves is the better champion with a similar win rate, more champion depth, and a similar amount of utility to help out your teammates during team fights.

Talon is a somewhat poor counter for Graves. You will do well by focussing your gameplay on maximizing your gold income and taking out objectives. If you do that, you should do very well as Talon against Graves.

Additional Information for Talon Players

How We Calculated Our Talon vs Graves Build and Stats

For this guide on countering Graves as Talon, we analyzed 2,731 matchups from recent LoL games. We use rigorous data cleaning and processing methods to ensure that our counter stats are of the highest quality. You can rest assured that the recommended build to counter Graves as Talon comes from real data and is not the fabrication of some random LoL player, as some other sites provide. You can use the filters at the top of the page to view the most relevant stats and items to your rank.

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Further Insights to Win this Matchup

If you would like to truly master Talon in order to counter Graves during both the lane and mid / late game phases of League of Legends, you should keep reading to pick up a few extra tricks and insights into this matchup. If you mind the build and stats presented above, you will grow your win rate significantly and be that much closer to League of Legends pro players.

Talon usually picks up more CS as Graves. Champions who typically don't take many minion kills typically don't have to have much CS to be valuable teammates, such as supports. They are capable of scaling properly off of their skills, stats, and first items alone. Yet, champs with a lot of CS, such as hyper-carries, usually require a lot of items to be effective. In either case, try to exceed the numbers shown here to do well.

The ideal items to focus on in your Talon versus Graves build include Prowler's Claw, Edge of Night, and Serylda's Grudge. When Talon bought at least these three pieces in his build, he performed significantly better when fighting Graves than with many other commonly used builds. In fact, Talon had an average winrate of 49.4% when countering Graves with this build.

To have the best chance of beating Graves as Talon, you should use the Conqueror, Triumph, Legend: Tenacity, Last Stand, Magical Footwear, and Biscuit Delivery runes from the Precision and Inspiration rune sets. Of all the runes players picked for Talon vs Graves battles, this mix of runes yielded the greatest win rate. In fact, these runes averaged a 49.4% winrate overall.

By default, tips, stats, and builds on how to beat Graves as Talon are shown for all ranked divisions. If you want to narrow the stats and builds to an individual player tier, you should use the selection menu at the top of this page.