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How to Win Karma vs Talon Counter MatchupKarma is in the b tier of champions

Karma vs Talon

How to Beat Talon as Karma in LoLKarma is in the a tier of champions
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How to Beat Talon as Karma

based on 2,375 Karma vs Talon matchups
Win Rate
49.3 %
K/D/A
2.6
Pick Rate
2.3 %

How We Analyze LoL Champion Counters

We at MOBA Champion summarize millions of ranked LoL games each week. In our dataset, Karma fought Talon 2375 times. With so many matchups for Karma vs Talon provides us confidence in our capability to prepare actionable data and a supported build to obliterate Talon. This counter pairing is relatively rare. Karma is forced to battle against Talon in only 2.3% of her games.

Karma vs Talon Matchup Summary

Unfortunately, Karma does a dismal job of beating Talon. Typically, she wins a acceptable 49.3% of games the champions battle each other in. In Karma against Talon matches, Karma’s team is 0.0% more probable to get first blood. This implies that she most likely will get first blood versus Talon.

Best Karma vs Talon Counter Build

Items

Starter Items

Time Target
Health PotionWorld Atlas

Early Items

~5 Mins
Amplifying TomeLost Chapter

Core Karma Items

~22 Mins
Shurelya's BattlesongDream MakerStaff of Flowing Water

Optional Items

Cosmic DriveMoonstone RenewerLuden's CompanionMalignance

Summoner Spells

summonerflash summoner spell D
summonerdot summoner spell F

Skill Order

First skill for Karma to level upq
>
Second ability for Karma to level upe
>
Last skill for Karma to max outw

Runes

SorceryArcane CometManaflow BandTranscendenceScorch
InspirationBiscuit DeliveryCosmic Insight
Ability HasteAdaptive ForceArmor
Karma's passive ability p
Karma's q ability q
Karma's w ability w
Karma's e ability e
Karma's ultimate ability r
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Q
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E
3
W
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Q
5
Q
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R
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Q
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Guide to Countering Talon as Karma

Tips for Playing as Karma against Talon

Don't be too conservative with Mantra. Gathering Fire is strongest in teamfights, making it easy to recharge Mantra multiple times.

Gathering Fire rewards aggressive play. Look to land abilities and basic attacks on your opponent to lower Mantra's cooldown and stay on the offensive.

When using Focused Resolve, slow your opponents with Inner Flame or speed yourself up with Inspire if you're having trouble sticking to a target.

Advice to Win Against Talon

Talon is heavily reliant on Shadow Assault to escape a fight. When it is down he's significantly more vulnerable.

Talon has unrivaled roaming ability. Make sure to keep track of his position or force him to stay in lane by pushing aggressively.

Talon's attacks are all physical damage. Build armor early to counter his burst damage.

Karma vs Talon Counter Stats

Karma Image
Win Rate
49.3 %
VS
Win Rate
50.7 %
Talon Image
3
< Kills >
8.6
5.8
< Deaths >
6.6
12.1
< Assists >
5.8
0.61
< Killing Sprees >
1.91
66
< Minions Killed >
136
0.05
< Dragons Killed >
0.44
0.5
< Inhibitors >
0.34
1,019
< Physical Damage >
21,534
13,617
< Magic Damage >
75
720
< True Damage >
1,184
15,356
< Damage Dealt >
22,794
19,385
< Damage Taken >
27,837
9,262
< Gold Earned >
12,650
1.91
< Towers >
1.42
0.01
< Baron Takedowns >
0.11
2,850
< Total Healing >
6,649
11,535
< Experience >
14,553
52
< Vision Score >
18
23
< Wards Placed >
6
240
< Time Dealing CC >
190

How to Counter Talon with Karma in LoL

The stats provided here clarify several valuable Karma versus Talon counter statistics that can help us interpret the differences and similarities between the pair. Karma’s KDA ratio ([kills + assists] / deaths) of NaN is greater than Talon’s ratio of NaN, showing that Karma may be more central to her team's team fighting potential than Talon. This observation is in large part caused by the differences in assists.

Karma typically has a significantly smaller longest killing spree than her opponent does. On average, she takes less damage than Talon. This is usually reflective of differing health capacities; however, it can also show that the champ with more health has less mobility and thus is not able to flee from additional damage when engaged or poked.

Differences between Karma and Talon

Damage Types Compared

Karma
Talon
Physical Damage
Magic Damage
True Damage

Champion Playstyles Compared

Karma
Talon

Who is Better, Karma or Talon?

Both League champions are great champions. Both champs have their pros and cons. In League's current meta, Karma usually fairs equally well when taking on Talon, with a 49.3% win rate. Thus, Karma makes an ok counter to Talon.

While Karma does have a lower win rate compared to Talon, when they face off with one another, Karma also has a lower difficulty level that makes her a less challenging champion to pick up and master. You should be careful when picking Karma into Talon.

Furthermore, Karma has a good amount of CC and other utility, a similar amount to Talon. This often makes her just as valuable during teamfights, especially when fighting champions with a ton of burst damage.

While there is not a single best champion for every situation in League of Legends, in Karma vs Talon matchups, Talon is the better champion with a similar win rate, less champion complexity, and a similar amount of utility to help out your allied champions during team fights.

Karma is a somewhat poor counter to Talon. Make sure you focus your actions on increasing your gold and cs and clearing objectives. If you are able to do that, you should do very well as Karma against Talon.

Additional Information for Karma Players

How We Calculated Our Karma vs Talon Build and Stats

For this guide on countering Talon as Karma, we analyzed 2,375 matchups from recent LoL games. We use rigorous data cleaning and processing methods to ensure that our counter stats are of the highest quality. You can rest assured that the recommended build to counter Talon as Karma comes from real data and is not the fabrication of some random LoL player, as some other sites provide. You can use the filters at the top of the page to view the most relevant stats and items to your rank.

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Further Insights to Win this Matchup

If you would like to learn all of the intricacies of Karma in order to counter Talon during both the lane and mid / late game phases of League of Legends, you should continue reading to learn a few extra tips and tricks for this matchup. If you pay attention to the build and tips presented above, you will grow your win rate significantly and be that much closer to League of Legends pro players.

Karma on average picks up less CS as Talon. Champions who on average don't take many minion kills usualy don't require much CS to be effective, such as supports. These kinds of champions are capable of scaling properly off of their skills, stats, and first items alone. Yet, champs with a lot of CS, such as hyper-carries, often have to have a lot of items to be effective. In either situation, try to exceed the numbers reported on this page to do well.

The ideal items to have in your Karma versus Talon build include Shurelya's Battlesong, Dream Maker, and Staff of Flowing Water. When Karma used at least these three items in her build, she performed significantly better versus Talon than with many other common item sets. In fact, Karma boasted an average winrate of 49.3% battling Talon with this build.

To have the best chance of defeating Talon as Karma, Karma players should take the Arcane Comet, Manaflow Band, Transcendence, Scorch, Biscuit Delivery, and Cosmic Insight runes from the Sorcery and Inspiration rune sets. Of all the runes players used for Karma vs Talon counters, this mixture of runes resulted in the greatest win rate. Moreover, these runes averaged a 49.3% win rate overall.

By default, tips, stats, and builds on how to beat Talon as Karma are presented for all ranked divisions. If you would like to scope the statistics and builds to a specific player tier, you can use the selection menu located earlier on the page.