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How to Win Talon vs Karma Counter MatchupTalon is in the a tier of champions

Talon vs Karma

How to Beat Karma as Talon in LoLTalon is in the b tier of champions
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How to Beat Karma as Talon

based on 2,375 Talon vs Karma matchups
Win Rate
50.7 %
K/D/A
2.18
Pick Rate
2.9 %

How We Analyze LoL Champion Counters

At MOBA Champion, we analyze millions of recently ranked League of Legends games each and every week. Within our database, Talon engaged Karma in 2375 rounds. With so many games with Talon vs Karma gives us faith in our capacity to produce useful stats and a recommended build to shatter Karma. This particular counter pairing is somewhat rare. Talon has to counter Karma in only 2.9% of his matches.

Talon vs Karma Matchup Summary

Talon has done a ok job of beating Karma. On average, he wins a acceptable 50.7% of games the champs battle each other in. In Talon against Karma rounds, Talon’s team is 0.0% more expected to gain first blood, implying that he most likely will be able to get first blood versus Karma.

Best Talon vs Karma Counter Build

Items

Starter Items

Time Target
Long SwordRefillable Potion

Early Items

~5 Mins
Serrated DirkRectrix

Core Talon Items

~22 Mins
Edge of NightSerylda's GrudgeOpportunity

Optional Items

Axiom ArcVoltaic CycloswordHubrisYoumuu's Ghostblade

Summoner Spells

summonerflash summoner spell D
summonerdot summoner spell F

Skill Order

First skill for Talon to level upw
>
Second ability for Talon to level upq
>
Last skill for Talon to max oute

Runes

DominationElectrocuteSudden ImpactEyeball CollectionRelentless Hunter
SorceryNimbus CloakAbsolute Focus
Adaptive ForceAdaptive ForceHealth Scaling
Talon's passive ability p
Talon's q ability q
Talon's w ability w
Talon's e ability e
Talon's ultimate ability r
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W
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Q
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W
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E
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W
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Guide to Countering Karma as Talon

Tips for Playing as Talon against Karma

Shadow Assault is a powerful escape tool, but can also be offensively used to assault a group.

You can use Assassin's Path to get behind the enemy and set up for Noxian Diplomacy's melee attack.

Remember to pick your target before the fight. Focusing all of Talon's abilities on one target can be very rewarding, but splitting them up between many may leave you helpless.

Advice to Win Against Karma

Focused Resolve is a strong disengage tool. Create distance to avoid being rooted and seek to engage afterwards.

Karma's Soulflare erupts for bonus damage in the area in which it's placed. React quickly and escape the circle to avoid taking heavy damage.

Karma's passive lowers her Mantra cooldown when she hits enemy champions with abilities and basic attacks. Deny her from getting free hits on you.

Talon vs Karma Counter Stats

Talon Image
Win Rate
50.7 %
VS
Win Rate
49.3 %
Karma Image
8.6
< Kills >
3
6.6
< Deaths >
5.8
5.8
< Assists >
12.1
1.91
< Killing Sprees >
0.61
136
< Minions Killed >
66
0.44
< Dragons Killed >
0.05
0.34
< Inhibitors >
0.5
21,534
< Physical Damage >
1,019
75
< Magic Damage >
13,617
1,184
< True Damage >
720
22,794
< Damage Dealt >
15,356
27,837
< Damage Taken >
19,385
12,650
< Gold Earned >
9,262
1.42
< Towers >
1.91
0.11
< Baron Takedowns >
0.01
6,649
< Total Healing >
2,850
14,553
< Experience >
11,535
18
< Vision Score >
52
6
< Wards Placed >
23
190
< Time Dealing CC >
240

How to Counter Karma with Talon in LoL

The stat comparisons shown here show several strategic Talon vs. Karma matchup statistics that may help us interpret the distinctions between this pair of champs. As an example, Talon’s KDA ratio ([kills + assists] / deaths) of NaN is more than Karma’s KDA ratio of NaN, demonstrating that Talon may be more central to his team's team fighting effectiveness than Karma. This observation is largely caused by the difference in kills.

Talon typically has a much larger longest kill spree than his enemy does. Commonly, he receives more damage than Karma. This typically indicates differing health capacities; however, it can also imply that the champ with higher HP has less agility and thus is unable to flee from further harm when poked or engaged.

Differences between Talon and Karma

Damage Types Compared

Talon
Karma
Physical Damage
Magic Damage
True Damage

Champion Playstyles Compared

Talon
Karma

Who is Better, Talon or Karma?

Both League champions are great champions. Both champs have their pros and cons. In League's current meta, Talon usually fairs equally well when trying to fight Karma, with a 50.7% win rate. As a result, Talon makes an ok counter to Karma.

While Talon does have a higher winrate than Karma, when on opposite teams, Talon also has a greater difficulty level that makes him a more challenging champion to learn. You should be careful when picking Talon into Karmaas his relative depth means that you may not be able to unleash his full potential without a lot of practice beforehand.

Furthermore, Talon also has only a small amount of utility and CC, a similar amount to Karma. This often makes her just as valuable during teamfights, especially when facing champions with a ton of burst damage.

While there is not one best champion in League of Legends, in Talon vs Karma matchups, Talon is the better champ with a similar win rate, more champion depth, and a similar amount of utility to help out your allied champions during late stage team fights.

Talon is a decent counter for Karma. You will do well by focussing your gameplay on maximizing your gold income and clearing objectives. If you do that, you should do very well as Talon against Karma.

Additional Information for Talon Players

How We Calculated Our Talon vs Karma Build and Stats

For this guide on countering Karma as Talon, we analyzed 2,375 matchups from recent LoL games. We use rigorous data cleaning and processing methods to ensure that our counter stats are of the highest quality. You can rest assured that the recommended build to counter Karma as Talon comes from real data and is not the fabrication of some random LoL player, as some other sites provide. You can use the filters at the top of the page to view the most relevant stats and items to your rank.

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Further Insights to Win this Matchup

To learn all of the intricacies of Talon to counter Karma during both the lane and mid / late game phases of League of Legends, you should keep reading to pick up a few extra tricks and insights into this matchup. If you pay attention to the build and stats displayed here, you should increase your win rate by a lot and be that much closer to League of Legends pro players.

Talon usually accumulates more CS as Karma. Champs who typically don't take many minion kills usualy don't have to have much CS to be effective, such as sup champs. These kinds of champions are able to scale properly off of their skills, stats, and first items alone. Yet, champs with a lot of CS, such as hyper-carries, typically require a lot of items to be effective. In either case, try to exceed the values displayed on this page to do well.

The best items to focus on in your Talon versus Karma build consist of Edge of Night, Serylda's Grudge, and Opportunity. When Talon combined at least these three pieces in his build, he performed much better against Karma than with most other typical item sets. In fact, Talon boasted an average winrate of 50.7% when countering Karma with these items in his kit.

To have the best chance of defeating Karma as Talon, you should use the Electrocute, Sudden Impact, Eyeball Collection, Relentless Hunter, Nimbus Cloak, and Absolute Focus runes from the Domination and Sorcery rune sets. Out of all the rune sets players chose for Talon vs Karma counterpicks, this composite of runes resulted in the highest win rate. Moreover, these runes gave a 50.7% winrate overall.

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