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Talon vs Lucian

How to Beat Lucian as Talon in LoLTalon is in the a tier of champions
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How to Beat Lucian as Talon

based on 5,351 Talon vs Lucian matchups
Win Rate
49.5 %
K/D/A
2.17
Pick Rate
6.5 %

How We Analyze LoL Champion Counters

We calculate our matchup statistics from the millions of recently rated LoL games that we get from Riot Games every week. This guide on how to beat Lucian as Talon resulted from an evaluation of 5351 ranked matches where both champions engaged each other. This champion pairing is relatively uncommon. Talon has to counter Lucian in only 6.5% of his rounds.

Talon vs Lucian Matchup Summary

Talon has done a average job of countering Lucian. On average, he wins a acceptable 49.5% of matches the champs face off with one another in. In Talon vs Lucian rounds, Talon’s side is 0.1% less likely to gain first blood. This implies that he probably won't get first blood against Lucian.

Best Talon vs Lucian Counter Build

Items

Starter Items

Time Target
Long SwordRefillable Potion

Early Items

~5 Mins
Long SwordThe Brutalizer

Core Talon Items

~22 Mins
Youmuu's GhostbladeHubrisProfane Hydra

Optional Items

Axiom ArcSerylda's GrudgeEclipseBlack Cleaver

Summoner Spells

summonerflash summoner spell D
summonerdot summoner spell F

Skill Order

First skill for Talon to level upw
>
Second ability for Talon to level upq
>
Last skill for Talon to max oute

Runes

DominationElectrocuteSudden ImpactEyeball CollectionRelentless Hunter
SorceryNimbus CloakAbsolute Focus
Adaptive ForceAdaptive ForceMagic Resist
Talon's passive ability p
Talon's q ability q
Talon's w ability w
Talon's e ability e
Talon's ultimate ability r
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W
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Q
3
W
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E
5
W
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R
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W
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Guide to Countering Lucian as Talon

Tips for Playing as Talon against Lucian

Shadow Assault is a powerful escape tool, but can also be offensively used to assault a group.

You can use Assassin's Path to get behind the enemy and set up for Noxian Diplomacy's melee attack.

Remember to pick your target before the fight. Focusing all of Talon's abilities on one target can be very rewarding, but splitting them up between many may leave you helpless.

Advice to Win Against Lucian

Lucian cannot change the aim of The Culling. Take advantage of this by avoiding the angle of the bullets.

Lucian has strong burst, but little sustained damage.

Piercing Light does not give Lucian extra Attack Range. He still needs to find a target in range to line up his shot. Avoid Piercing Light by anticipating the angle Lucian will choose.

Talon vs Lucian Counter Stats

Talon Image
Win Rate
49.5 %
VS
Win Rate
50.5 %
Lucian Image
8.9
< Kills >
7.9
6.9
< Deaths >
6.7
6.1
< Assists >
6.7
2.02
< Killing Sprees >
1.85
140
< Minions Killed >
189
0.44
< Dragons Killed >
0.19
0.33
< Inhibitors >
0.51
22,352
< Physical Damage >
19,294
81
< Magic Damage >
2,792
1,221
< True Damage >
549
23,655
< Damage Dealt >
22,636
28,170
< Damage Taken >
22,000
12,945
< Gold Earned >
12,706
1.42
< Towers >
2.3
0.11
< Baron Takedowns >
0.07
6,534
< Total Healing >
5,013
14,895
< Experience >
12,988
18
< Vision Score >
19
6
< Wards Placed >
9
190
< Time Dealing CC >
41

How to Counter Lucian with Talon in LoL

The stat comparisons shown here clarify some influential Talon vs. Lucian counter statistics that can help you distinguish the differences and similarities between this pair of champs. For instance, Talon’s KDA ratio ([kills + assists] / deaths) of NaN is greater than Lucian’s ratio of NaN, indicating that Talon may be more central to his team's team fighting capability than Lucian..

Talon usually has a similar longest kill spree as his counter does. Typically, he takes more damage than Lucian. This typically indicates differing health capacities; however, it can also hint that the champ with higher HP has less agility and thus is unable to flee from further damage when poked or engaged.

Differences between Talon and Lucian

Damage Types Compared

Talon
Lucian
Physical Damage
Magic Damage
True Damage

Champion Playstyles Compared

Talon
Lucian

Who is Better, Talon or Lucian?

Both LoL champs are great. Both have their pros and cons. In the game's current meta, Talon usually fairs equally well when trying to fight Lucian, with a 49.5% win rate. As a result, Talon makes an ok counter for Lucian.

While Talon does have a lower win rate compared to Lucian, when on opposite teams, Talon also has a greater learning curve that makes him a more time consuming champion to learn and master. You still need to be cautious when picking Talon into Lucianas his relative depth means you may not be able to reach his full potential without a lot of practice beforehand.

Furthermore, Talon also has almost no amount of utility and CC, a similar amount to Lucian. This makes her just as valuable during team fights, especially when fighting champions with a lot of burst damage.

While there isn't a single best champion for every situation in League of Legends, in Talon vs Lucian matchups, Lucian is the better champ with a similar win rate, more champion depth, and a similar amount of utility to help out your teammates during team fights.

Talon is a somewhat poor counter for Lucian. You will do well by focussing your gameplay on increasing your gold income and destroying objectives. If you are able to do that, you should do very well as Talon against Lucian.

Other Champion Matchups Against Talon

Talon Loses Against

TaricTaric44.5% winrateBel'VethBel'Veth45.4% winrateKayleKayle45.5% winrateBardBard45.5% winrate

Talon Wins Against

NidaleeNidalee58.9% winrateSkarnerSkarner58% winrateNunu & WillumpNunu & Willump53.7% winrateXayahXayah53.5% winrate

Top Synergies by Role

BraumBraum+ 52.7% 935 GamesMordekaiserMordekaiser+ 53% 6862 GamesLilliaLillia+ 54.4% 5553 GamesCorkiCorki+ 55.3% 358 Games

Additional Information for Talon Players

How We Calculated Our Talon vs Lucian Build and Stats

For this guide on countering Lucian as Talon, we analyzed 5,351 matchups from recent LoL games. We use rigorous data cleaning and processing methods to ensure that our counter stats are of the highest quality. You can rest assured that the recommended build to counter Lucian as Talon comes from real data and is not the fabrication of some random LoL player, as some other sites provide. You can use the filters at the top of the page to view the most relevant stats and items to your rank.

Other Useful Resources

Talon Build Lucian Build

Further Insights to Win this Matchup

If you would like to learn all of the intricacies of Talon to counter Lucian during both the lane and mid / late game phases of League of Legends, you should continue reading to learn a few extra tricks and insights into this matchup. If you listen to the build and suggestions displayed above, you will increase your win rate significantly and be closer to League of Legends pro players.

Talon often gets a similar amount of CS as Lucian. Champs who typically don't take many minion kills often don't have to have much CS to be effective, such as supports. These kinds of champions are capable of scaling well off of their abilities and first items alone. Yet, champions with a lot of CS, such as hyper-carries, often require several high cost items to be effective. In either situation, try to exceed the values reported here to do well.

The top items to focus on in your Talon versus Lucian build consist of Youmuu's Ghostblade, Hubris, and Profane Hydra. When Talon incorporated at least these three pieces in his build, he performed significantly better vs. Lucian than with many other typical item sets. In fact, Talon had an average winrate of 49.5% battling Lucian with these items in his kit.

To have the greatest probability of beating Lucian as Talon, you should equip the Electrocute, Sudden Impact, Eyeball Collection, Relentless Hunter, Nimbus Cloak, and Absolute Focus runes from the Domination and Sorcery rune sets. Of all the runes players picked for Talon vs Lucian battles, this order of runes resulted in the best win rate. Notably, these runes gave a 49.5% winrate overall.

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